Jim Dodson: Do you know someone who's been limited by MS or Parkinson's, neuropathy or balance issues? You have to watch this program. My guest is Be Alink, who is the designer of the Alinker or Alinker bicycle. This device has changed the lives of countless people, and if you know someone who has been suffering from a balance issue that has left them immobile or out of touch with people or unable to get out and do the things that they've enjoyed, this may be the answer for you, and it's a very important message. And I'm happy to have the entire interview, we taped this last week, we had a technical issue with Facebook, it deleted the first couple of seconds of the interview, so we're restarting it today. Hope you enjoy the entire program. It's Jim Dodson, The Florida Bike Guy.
Be Alink: Little example, half the people that use wheelchairs and many people that have MS are told by the doctor they just get used to using a wheelchair, and here's medication. People that use wheelchairs, nearly half of them, or around half of them, can still use their legs, but there was nothing designed for them to be, to move their legs, to be active with their legs, and to be at eye level. So, I think the whole shift needs to happen from being inactive, and after an accident like this guy, Wilco in the Netherlands, he had a massive stroke and he does half marathons now, with one leg and one functional arm. The fact that people can continue to be the active person that they always were, regardless of their mobility challenges. So for me, the Alinker is a vehicle for social change, to continue to be active and engaged, as you were before you had an accident or a diagnosis of MS for example.
Jim Dodson: Yeah, this great picture right here, I mean, and we're going to talk about the engagement a little bit as we get into it, but I think one of the things you're doing is giving freedom for mobility to those people who have been denied it through the medical community. They're trying to help them with the device, which only sort of limits them further, rather than expanding their ability to get out, and as you expressed to me, you want to create more of a sense of community, particularly for those that have lost the ability to do what they had prized before. Am I kind of on the money there?
Be Alink: Yeah, I think it's important to reflect on what we call the healthcare system, which is reactive to once you have something. It's not to support our wellness, and in fact if it's a reactive system that only kicks in once you're sick, we should rename it into a sick care system, and then when we realize we only have a sick care system, then we can also realize that we do not have a healthcare system yet. And in a society where people are judged by how they look, there's a divide between the us and the them and we're uncomfortable with people disabilities, because that makes me feel uncomfortable so I don't know what to do quite yet. So something that bridges the divide, that focuses on who we are, not what we have. We have a body, we are human beings that want to be socially engaged, and the Alinker allows people to be socially engaged again, and to not be isolated and dismissed. Because that happens with people, like in wheelchairs, people feel isolated, they feel ignored, they feel stigmatized, which is horrible that we do that to each other.
Jim Dodson: Well you know, it's interesting that you mentioned that, and we talked about this at some length when we were doing our conversation before filming, I think you touched on something really touched me, is that when I deal with someone who's in a wheelchair for instance, or has what we would label as a disability, I'm uncomfortable.
Be Alink: Yes.
Jim Dodson: And I project my discomfort to them. Talk to me a little bit about when someone has been an active life, and they develop MS for instance, two things first; MS and Parkinson's and neuropathy all share a common bond in terms of what the Alinker will do for them, and describe kind of what that is.
Be Alink: It focuses not on the disability, it focuses on who you are. Like, Joe for example, this picture now we see, he can not walk, he's got over 20 years MS. And his wife doesn't like modern art, so he asks me to go to the modern art to MoMA in New York with him. We went there for four hours. I was exhausted, but he was not. He can not walk, but he saw the museum, four hours long, at eye level, 'cause all the lighting on paintings is on eye level, and he's the cool dude. The amount of conversations he had with people that said, wow, what is that, and can you tell me more? I mean, he loves talking about the Alinker now, because now he's the cool dude.
Jim Dodson: Yeah.
Be Alink: He's an Italian from Brooklyn, so that helps.
Jim Dodson: You pointed out something to me that I never really had thought about, and those who have lost some functional ability don't think of themselves as being different. Kind of comment on that. They still think of themselves as an active person, for instance, even though they have an issue that's limiting in their activities.
Be Alink: You don't need to have a disability to feel that, like I'm 55 years old now, I still feel 28. And so I think that I can still climb mountains, but I could when I was 28, but that's probably, maybe, with a little bit more huffing and puffing, but I mean, in our minds, my mom is 82, and in her mind she's still a 45 year old woman.
Jim Dodson: Right.
Be Alink: We are something else in our minds than what our bodies keep up with, especially when you add disabilities to that, or mobility challenges rather, because the word disability is, like if you look that up in the dictionary, you really don't want to use that word, disability, any more.
Jim Dodson: It's a very loaded term.
Be Alink: Yes, very loaded, so I prefer to talk about adaptive bodies and mobility challenges. Because some mobility challenges do slow you down, and if you're at a different speed than everything around you, it's quite challenging.
Jim Dodson: Yes, yeah.
Be Alink: So this guy that you're looking at right now, he is the very first person with a disability who got a title like Mr. England. He was Mr. England last year, and he is on the Alinker on the Mercedes Benz Fashion Show in Moscow, and people were wondering how they could be like him. Then you really mess around with the assumptions on disabilities. And that's the whole point of the Alinker.
Jim Dodson: Very cool.
Be Alink: Yeah.
Jim Dodson: So you made a very striking comment to me. I said, so what type of person is drawn to the Alinker? And your response was?
Be Alink: Stubborn people! And it's stubborn in the best possible way, because stubborn people do not just take anything. Okay, question, chicken or egg?
Jim Dodson: Right.
Be Alink: Most people say, chicken or egg, and they never question that there could be a third category. The people that get on the Alinker, they say like, how about the chicks? Right? There's a third category. So, just to illustrate that people who think differently, who do not just settle for what they get in front of them, people that do not settle. There has to be something else.
Jim Dodson: You've eliminated a fairly large number of people who are going to just roll over and accept the diagnosis and the limitation and their life changes and they kind of deal with it, you know? You, this device really, actually, literally changes lives, and renews people's ability to live a more full and active life.
Be Alink: Yep, can I read you a text that I got this morning, just a little random text, but it's really beautiful and illustrates very well what the impact is. Do you mind?
Jim Dodson: No, go ahead.
Be Alink: Hello, I just wanted you to know that through you, you've taken my aging mother's wondering spirit expiration and given our whole family another generation's worth of adventure.
Jim Dodson: Wow.
Be Alink: You've filled our hearts. And that is the kind of messages that I'm, I mean who sends messages like that to a bike factory?
Jim Dodson: Exactly.
Be Alink: And it's really
Jim Dodson: Pretty amazing.
Be Alink: Yeah, and it's really, yeah.
Jim Dodson: Alright, talk to me a minute about the reason it's designed the way it is. Now, you could have made an electric device, but you did not want to make an electric device, tell us why.
Be Alink: Because insufficient activity is causing a lot of harm to our health. In the light of how a century ago, we had diseases like pneumonia and tuberculosis, there were diseases that you could cure with a pill. The diseases that we have these days are much more food and lifestyle related. So we need to live a different lifestyle in order to deal with the symptoms of those diseases, or even prevent those diseases. Diabetes is one of them. 90 million people in America, in the US, are prediabetic. 90 million, it's one third of the population.
Jim Dodson: Pretty amazing.
Be Alink: Insufficient activity is the number one cause that prediabetic turns diabetic, according to CDC.
Jim Dodson: Yeah, so the purpose of, the purpose isn't moving around from place to place, it's how you get from place to place. It's allowing the person to use their legs and move and get exercise at the same time, and a sense of wholeness from being self sufficient in that way, correct?
Be Alink: Yep, that's true, and we're just discovering something really special, and it's not a medical claim, because we're not a medical device, so we don't do medical claims. The only thing I can do is share experiences and feedback from people, but what we're starting to see is that because you exert pressure on your sit bones as you walk, it shows that the brain circuitry gets activated, and when the brain is activated, it can manage so much more. And that results in people with fibromyalgia not having a flareup after an hour on the Alinker, versus half an hour walking they would have a flareup. People with MS who can reduce their medication because apparently the rerouting of the neural pathways only can happen when you activate the brain. People with Parkinson's that have freeze of gait on the Alinker, you don't see freeze of gait. They go. Young people, we've got a whole family with young people who are all on the spectrum of autism, have fetal alcohol syndrome, have ADD, ADHD, they've got a whole series of stuff due to severe neglect and abuse in their very young lives. They have a whole bunch of Alinkers now. It's one big family. They've got a whole bunch of Alinkers now, and they reduced their medication, they don't have meltdowns or tantrums anymore. And their whole behavior, the whole household has changed. Because it's not a minefield of the next one blowing up again. It's really spectacular what it does, and it is because sit bones exerting pressure, shooting direct messages to the brain, activating the brain circuitry. And I've got two neurologists that are starting to see the same thing, and they want to do more research to test this, and to see what's really happening. That's exciting stuff, of course.
Jim Dodson: When you and I spent time talking, I was sort of like, wow this is all over the place, from medicine to science and exercise, how do I pull this together in some theme, and I came up with a couple of activities or areas I wanted to ask you about. The first is, which you've already alluded to, one of the great advantages of the Alinker is the activity level, which you're talking about right now, the ability of the body to continue to be active. You potentially lose weight, you promote the desire to get out, and that promotes, as you described to me, better food choices, 'cause you're starting to feel the consequences of feeling better, and a desire to potentially continue to lose weight, right?
Be Alink: Well I think the biggest disease of our society is loneliness and isolation, because that's what we do with dismissing people, whether based on skin color or disability or gender, we dismiss people, and isolation and loneliness is horrific.
Jim Dodson: Well this was my second topic, was the isolation issue because the photographs that you, that Kati’s put up, showing people like that, out with their friends, when otherwise with their limitations they might be sitting in front of the TV, or being alone by themselves in their apartment, and people not coming to see them because they felt uncomfortable walking in, because they're mobile and their friend's not mobile and all the dynamics that go with that. Am I on track there?
Be Alink: Yes, absolutely. And it's, yeah this is relaxed, you don't have any pressure on your legs, you're hanging out with friends that you meet at a market. This is in the Netherlands. And, you know, people are not scared to talk to you, because this is not uncomfortable. I mean, people with disabilities are not the problem, it's the temporarily able bodied people that think that they're so invincible, and then it makes them uncomfortable, what you said before, and then because they're uncomfortable, they rather not talk to you than address their own discomfort. And this is something that I learned as a very young kid. I was eight when my father died, and people disappeared around us. Instead of showing up for a young family who just lost the dad, people disappeared, or direct family disappeared for a couple years, because they were too uncomfortable to talk about death.
Jim Dodson: They didn't know what to do so they did nothing.
Be Alink: So they did nothing. So instead of addressing their own discomfort about like, okay then it is uncomfortable talking about death, but it's in our lives. Everybody's dying some day, so why do we try to ignore that? And with that, we isolate people. I felt something was wrong with us, because we lost our dad, because people disappeared. So if we do that same thing, if we're not willing to be uncomfortable, people who sit in a wheelchair are the whole day exposed to that. They're constantly vulnerable to the judgment of others. If I'm not willing to be vulnerable, I miss spectacular people. If I'm willing to be comfortable, I can learn and meet absolutely spectacular people. Because people who have been hit by life, have been confronted by life actually know a little bit more about life.
Jim Dodson: They know more, they've got more to share, they've got more of a life experience, and this is a very cool statement and photograph that Katy's showing right now. "I never cared to be cool until I wasn't cool anymore."
Be Alink: And this is John Perry Barlow, the lyricist of the Grateful Dead, who never had to worry about being cool because he was a cool dude.
Jim Dodson: He was cool.
Be Alink: Yeah. And so, when he had something with his heart, I don't know the details, but his heart stopped for eight minutes. They resuscitated him and then they injured his spine, whereby he lost, he got paralyzed or nearly paralyzed on his legs. Then when he found the Alinker, he got back and the last two years of his life, he passed away last year, but the last two years of his life he used the Alinker and it gave him his life back.
Jim Dodson: Even with partial paralysis of the legs?
Be Alink: Yes, because you only walk partially with your legs. You partially walk with your brain.
Jim Dodson: Correct, right, everything.
Be Alink: I mean it's so funny, athletes are constantly using this to practice. They train in their brain to do this jump or whatever it is that they do, but they train, they brain train the jump that they need to make at the Olympics or whatever. They use that because the more you do that with your brain, the more your body knows what to do. Why don't we use that?
Jim Dodson: So talk to me a minute about the third category I had was like the economic issue. I think you've sort of mentioned this in the past. One of the things you mentioned to me was, people using the Alinker many times can keep their employment that they may not otherwise have been able to do without it.
Be Alink: Yes. One example is a woman who teaches science at a university, and she had her feet, the muscles in her feet were completely gone and she couldn't walk any more, or so painful because she had to stand the whole day on concrete. And imagine how many people stand or walk the whole day on concrete in the Home Depots, in the Costcos, in the Walmarts. There's a lot of people that have, and it's a very hidden disability, mobility challenge, because it prevents you from being as active as you would like with your full body weight on that. So she found the Alinker, and is still teaching because she doesn't have the pressure on her feet. She said, I have to be on the whiteboard the whole day and run around the class to science teachers and she said, on top of that I'm sitting on a piece of applied science, trying to teach science. So it's pretty cool.
Jim Dodson: Pretty cool.
Be Alink: She's one of the examples, and there's a few more people that still are in the job because of the Alinker.
Jim Dodson: Well, I mean, she's a classic example of someone who's making significant income who probably would have lost their job if she couldn't continue to stand and move as that.
Be Alink: Yep, she literally was at the brink of being on disability and having to quit her job because she couldn't do it. And in a wheelchair she wouldn't be able to do it.
Jim Dodson: And then you talked about people who began using the Alinker and they were able to cut down their medicine, so you have the savings, both to the, I guess whoever's paying for it, whether it's you personally or the system is paying for it,
Be Alink: We all pay for it.
Jim Dodson: That can be pretty substantial.
Be Alink: Yep, and yes it's very substantial. I mean, MS medication, just to pick on MS medication. I'm not against medication and I wish there was a cure for diseases like MS and Parkinson's and all that. But a pharma industry that makes 30 percent net profit while people pay around 60 to 100,000 dollars per year on MS medication, again, whether you pay your insurance or the government, we all pay for this, while pharma walks away with 30 percent net profit. I think that's criminal. And again, I'm not against medication at all, but I think that before we go to medicating people and telling them to be inactive in a wheelchair, we should look at what do you eat? How much do you move? And then maybe add on medication to mitigate symptoms. But if we're not willing to look at how much we move and what we eat, medication shouldn't be the first go-to.
Jim Dodson: Well, unfortunately in the United States, it is the first go-to. The first reaction is what do I take? And talk a minute about antidepressants. I mean, that is a huge factor, I would imagine, among those who are really deeply affected by these diseases and are isolated and not moving and all that goes with it.
Be Alink: Well, I hear hundreds of stories from people, who got diagnosed with MS. You lose friends, you lose your job, you lose your status, you lose your whole social circle that all dwindles down and you're sitting at home. 80 percent of people that have mobility challenges are on antidepressants. That's of the 20 percent of the population. 20 percent of our population has disabilities, half of that is mobility related, so that's 10 percent of the population is mobility. That's one out of 10 people. 80 percent of that.
Jim Dodson: That's incredible.
Be Alink: Yes. They're quite stark numbers.
Jim Dodson: Those are stark numbers. And when you think about eliminating or mitigating the need for antidepressants, it's a huge, in the life of the person.
Be Alink: Yes, but something has to come in place. Like if socially you're not engaged, you're not likely to break out of that isolation circle.
Jim Dodson: Yeah.
Be Alink: And I think how I see our society is that we very much are trained to focus on the problem, to then try and fix it. And so healthcare system needs to be fixed, right? No, because it's a sick care system that is already very successful. It's just not designed to support our wellness. So what we see as problems, I think, are mostly symptoms of a system that wasn't designed for us. And it doesn't want to be fixed. It's already 30 percent net profit on the pharma industry, that's very successful business. It's just not designed for our wellness. So, focusing on the problems like, depression is a problem, we need to fix that. Yeah let's pull some more pills in there. No, we have eliminated human contact with each other. We don't hug each other any more, we don't, you know.
Jim Dodson: After the age of social media there was a piece in the news this morning said, even though we're more connected than ever before, we're lonelier than ever before, because people aren't connecting on a human level.
Be Alink: Exactly. So I'm actually, like after the shooting in New Zealand, it was beautiful, somebody said, and that was not beautiful of course, the incident not, but I mean I've worked 10 years in disaster zones and after a disaster is also something beautiful emerging between people. That's where people pull together. You know it's a bit sad that we need horrible events in order to come together again. But somebody said, we just need to, instead of isolating people like, oh they are this, they are that, maybe we just need to go out in the street and give each other a hug again, regardless how we look. I mean it is so, we're so hungry for just being acknowledged as who we are, not what we have.
Jim Dodson: Right, well I think you've stated it so beautifully, and really it's been fantastic. So Be, I'm an injury lawyer as you know, and I know that there must be treatment centers in the United States that focus on these aspects of limited mobility, MS and Parkinson's. Do you know of any?
Be Alink: Yes, in Pembroke Pines, close to Miami, there's NeuroFit360, and they actually use Alinkers, and they do rehabilitation with people after accidents a lot, young people that broke their backs, or were hit by a car or with a motorcycle. Or have cerebral palsy. And they all have paralysis, more or less, but they share one thing, all the clients. They share one thing, that they were told by the medical system that they would never walk again. And by never giving up, always believing and understanding that you walk with your brain, as well as with your legs, they get people up to 40 percent walking again that were totally paralyzed and never were to walk again.
Jim Dodson: That's incredible. You know, I think I see that in our practice too. The people who believe that they will do better, the people who believe they will return to their level of fitness. I've been in the presence of numerous people with horrible injuries that, the first thing that they're talking about is, especially the cyclists, when am I gonna get on my bike? Which, let me just talk a minute about something about the practice here, you know, in our injury practice which we've done for 30 years, I always remind people that there's two aspects after you've been injured in a crash, whether it's a bike crash or car accident, you have a life and you have a claim. It's so important for people to understand that their focus needs to be on their life. You know, choosing the right recovery, being motivated in that recovery, the direction of your recovery and all the things that go with it, and allow us to take care of the claim because the claim is where all of the angst is. People don't know what to say to a claims adjuster. They don't know what to say if the phone rings. They have no idea about how to value their case, or what to do about medical bills, and that's all the things that we do. One of the things that people express so much satisfaction and relief when they hire us is, they can live their life and we'll take care of the claim side of the things. If you know somebody who is in Florida who's been the victim of a crash or bike crash or car accident or what have you, just have them go to our website, look at our reviews. I think that speaks volumes for what people have said about us in the past, and if we can do anything to help you, regardless of where you are in Florida, we'll be happy to tell you exactly what we can and can't do. So Barb, I mean for Be, there's a fairly famous person who is on the Alinker that's been in, you and I talked about the other day, tell me about Selma.
Be Alink: I got, a few weeks ago I got a little snapshot from a friend of Selma, sending me an email who said, have you seen this? And I was like, hmm. And it was at the Tisch MS Research Center in New York, where we've had Alinkers for a few years now. And it's a very prestigious MS center where they do the second level FDA approval of stem cell research with their own stem cells. So famous people go there because that's the center where there's any hope on the stem cell stuff. And so Selma had apparently got on the Alinker there, and this friend of hers sent me that picture. I don't know many celebrities, I don't follow all this, so I was like, Selma Blair, so I looked it up and I was like, oh!
Jim Dodson: This is Selma Blair, the actress, right?
Be Alink: Selma Blair, the actress. And then two weeks ago, or three weeks ago now, she was on the red carpet with a customized cane and showed the world what it is, how this looks.
Jim Dodson: And she has MS.
Be Alink: She has MS. Progressive MS.
Jim Dodson: She's been very public about it.
Be Alink: She's been very public about it, and what I love about Selma Blair is that people get uncomfortable when people show a disability or the consequences of a disease, and it's like, she's constantly exposed to that. And she showed world, like this is how it is. And she's just real about it, because it doesn't determine who she is. She's still that same person, even though her body doesn't work the same way as it used to be. But it doesn't determine who she is. And that I think is only showing, and I love that people in that position, who do have the position to reach a lot of people, use that.
Jim Dodson: Have the willingness and guts to stand out and do, not hide themselves.
Be Alink: Yeah. So she was on the red carpet. I already sort of had it on the radar because this friend of hers sent me that little snippet, and then all of a sudden, she post this picture on Instagram, saying like, I can go at the speed of sound again, and I'm all in for this invention. And I was like, oh crap! Stand by and yes, social media exploded and okay! So since that time we're, I mean, conversations with her people to see how we can do this better. Selma has a deep desire, as we do, to start a fund for people with MS to get, not just MS, but start a fund for people to get access to Alinkers because, if you're at the receiving end of a sick care system that drives you into poverty, whether you're famous or not, it does drive you into poverty, then when you need it hardest you can't afford a high quality custom bike that actually changes your life, but you can't access it. So we, and I'm saying we do that as well, because we got, a couple of years ago, a grant from the Li Ka Shing Foundation to donate Alinkers to the people that can't afford them, and we donated them through partner organizations. So we're very aligned on what we tried to do, bridging the gap between sick care system that drives you into poverty and the high quality thing that actually changes your life.
Jim Dodson: So you've been able, through that grant, to distribute almost 700 Alinkers to people in various places around the world.
Be Alink: Yep, so far.
Jim Dodson: So what does it cost if someone wanted to buy one, where would they find it and what do they cost?
Be Alink: We're only selling online, and they're 1977 dollars in the US. With a little note, if we sell these through the medical system, you would get it back from Medicaid or something, it would be at least twice as much. That's how the medical system works. We don't want to try and comply with the system that is so broken. We make them available for what we can, I mean it's all handmade, custom made stuff at the moment. They're short, small production lines, and every part except for the steering and the seat are all custom parts, and they're all hand assembled and high quality stuff. And it's not to defend anything, because I don't need to defend a very well-engineered bike. It is the trickling-down cost of the loss of mobility that you need to take into consideration. It's not just a wheelchair of 2000 dollars versus an Alinker of 2000 dollars. It is, with a wheelchair, if you need, and I do want to say that too, if you need a wheelchair, perfect. Fantastic, I'm very happy that there's good quality wheelchairs, better and better designs as well, I don't want to say anything negative about wheelchairs because they're brilliant things. Again, people that have the disability are not the problem, it's the invincible people that cause the problems. So nothing bad about wheelchairs. But if you can still use their legs and you have the desire to be active, then now there's something else. And the staying active, you don't need your legs to stay active, by the way. In a wheelchair you can box and whatever, and get a cardio and be active. So it's not that the people in the wheelchairs, per se, need to be inactive, not true. But stretching your legs and being at eye level, having full circulation does have certain advantages and it activates your brain, et cetera.
Jim Dodson: Remind me, did we talk about this gentleman who's in the photo here? I think we did before we started, but I don't think we have since we started talking.
Be Alink: This is Wilco. Wilco had, he's in the Netherlands, he had a massive stroke, and you can see his right leg is on the front, because he can't move his right leg. And his right arm is curled up. So he's doing half marathons, after strokes, after a massive stroke. And he's this active guy who used to be active and is still very active and now he's using the Alinker to continue to do so.
Jim Dodson: So I want to just close by you live in Montreal, correct?
Be Alink: Yes, I live in Montreal.
Jim Dodson: You're from the Netherlands originally.
Be Alink: Originally, 20 years ago I left, yes.
Jim Dodson: I'd like to do a program some time about cycling in the Netherlands. You've talked to me about that a little bit. You talked to me a little bit about the Pederson bicycle, which I've done some work on and will do some writing about that. So we've got a, we're doing a tagline there for people who want to contact you for the Alinker. Go to the alinker.com for information about it.
Be Alink: And something that I want to add to that, Jim, because we understand there's a gap between the high quality thing and that people can't afford it. We do offer rent to own. Look for the conditions online. And on our website I've created a way for people to do their own crowdfunding campaigns. Together we can do so much more, and if people just go there and just, you know, some money here and there, then together we can make sure that those people get their Alinkers. The crowdfunding campaign is designed in such a way that people do not handle the money. Because if you're on disabilities or on welfare, you're not allowed to raise money. So the campaign it's in Canadian dollars, so don't think that there's too much there, but we have to do it in Canadian dollars, 'cause it's linked to the back end here in Canada. So people can put their campaign, the moment it's fulfilled we ship the Alinker. They don't need to deal with the money.
Jim Dodson: Awesome.
Be Alink: Yep.
Jim Dodson: Awesome. Well you've been a great guest, and I think the subject is fascinating. You've been very eye-opening for me and very convicting, quite frankly, about my own awareness of this. And I wanna wish you the very best. You're doing a great service to very, very many people. I wanna get this message to as many as we can, through the various places that people are coming for information on mobility issues.
Be Alink: Well thank you for having me, it's been a pleasure talking to you.
Jim Dodson: Be, thank you so much. Good luck and we'll wait for more Alinkers to show up and helping people every day, alright?
Be Alink: Absolutely, thank you so much. Bye.