Jim Dodson: Hey there, it's Jim Dodson, the Florida Bike Guy. Welcome to our livestream. If you've been curious about what motivates people to do extraordinary things, we have a great guest this morning. You're gonna love to hear the story of Tracy Sefnik, Tracy Sefcik, I mispronounced your last name, Tracy, who epitomizes that expression we've heard from time to time that, hey, if she can do it, anybody can do it, but this would be what Tracy would say about herself. So Tracy has ridden across the United States in support of the Gary Sinise Foundation. Tracy, why don't you say hello?
Tracy Sefcik: Hi everyone, thanks for joining.
Jim Dodson: So where are you joining us from, Tracy?
Tracy Sefcik: I'm actually just north of Chicagoland, up in Berwyn.
Jim Dodson: And what's the weather like up there?
Tracy Sefcik: About 10 degrees, and about 10 to 12 inches of snow.
Jim Dodson: Alright, sounds great. I write, of course, for our website and our newsletter, and Kati was doing some research on finding an interesting story for me to write about. She came across the newspaper article in Tracy's hometown about her adventure riding from San Diego to Saint Augustine to raise money for the Gary Sinise Foundation for vets. We wrote about it and then Tracy found my article and connected with us on Facebook and we've gone back and forth and we thought it'd be a great idea to have her story, so I want to talk to Tracy about her adventure. So tell us about why you made this decision to make the ride and what you did to raise money for the foundation. Sort of, the preliminaries before the ride began.
Tracy Sefcik: Well first, about riding, you do a bunch of local rides, and then it just started to become bigger. We started doing week rides and then one day we decided to do the Ultimate Rag Ride. And then after the rag ride, it was more or less, well, what do you next?
Jim Dodson: Right.
Tracy Sefcik: So, it was like, well, coast to coast. So looked at the coast to coast and actually picked San Diego to Saint Augustine. For a couple reasons, number one. There's only one mountain range. And number two, it was the shortest distance. So, actually picked that route to go.
Jim Dodson: Okay. So, at the time that you did this, and when was your ride done?
Tracy Sefcik: Um, I actually started on March 2nd from the Flight Deck at U.S.S. Midway, I'm actually a Navy Veteran myself. Left from the Flight Deck at the Midway, I was on a tugboat, used to pull the Midway out every time a ship would leave the port. So had a little special meeting to leave at the top of the flight deck. So left from there March 2nd, actually finished in Saint Augustine, Florida on May 3rd. So, a total of 61 days, 49 days biking.
Jim Dodson: Alright, so let's talk about people. 'Cause I think a lot of people, we all know people who ride across United States. And everybody does it for different reasons. There's some special, unique things about you and about this trip, which people may not understand, I wanna talk about that. But at the time that you made the decision to make this ride, you're employed, right?
Tracy Sefcik: Yes, I do consulting work. So that was a plus.
Jim Dodson: So you have job responsibilities. Now, you have to raise money for your own support for the ride, and you wanted to raise money for the foundation. So, just give us a brief description of what you did to prepare to make this journey.
Tracy Sefcik: So that foundation, I set a goal of $25,000. I did a lot of local fundraisers with the local restaurants. Our biggest fundraiser was the Chicago Auto Show, and I hounded all of my friends, family members, LinkedIn members and stuff like that for donations. For my personal expenses, it was just about under $8,000. And what I ended up doing was working two jobs to pay for my expenses going across, and plus I also had to save enough because I was unemployed for three months to pay my bills. My mortgage, light bills, electricity, and stuff like that. So there was a lot of work, and it was a goal that I did, and I accomplished it, and I was happy to actually go over my goal for the Gary Sinise Foundation.
Jim Dodson: Yes, you actually raked $30,000 for Gary, didn't you?
Tracy Sefcik: Correct.
Jim Dodson: Okay. So one of the things that intrigues me, well several things intrigue me about you. You weren't somebody who was doing high mileage. You weren't exactly a real, everyday riding high mileage road rider. And tell me about the bike you bought and how you selected it.
Tracy Sefcik: I just, I had a friend of mine that worked at a bike shop. Kind of went in and told her, I wanted a road bike, I wanted to start cycling. And we picked out a Trek Bike. It's a aluminum bike, got it on sale, end of year special. I think the regular price was like $1,000. I got it for like $750. So, it wasn't a real expensive bike. But I've had the bike for probably about five years. Kept the bike.
Jim Dodson: It's so interesting because those of us who hang around with a lot of road cyclists people aren't riding $700 road bikes. The idea is to get the, more and more raise the score, we run into people that have this beautiful, beautiful bikes that cost thousands and thousands of dollars and I think we lose track of the fact that you know, we can get by with less.
Tracy Sefcik: Right. I met one gentleman in San Diego, I actually was following him as he was going across from Florida to San Diego. And I actually met him in San Diego before I left, and he kind of, we met for lunch and he was telling me the in's and outs of what I was about to endure, and he actually had a Schwinn bike.
Jim Dodson: Yeah, $50 Schwinn, right?
Tracy Sefcik: Right. So, I mean as long as you have two tires and you've got the legs to do it, and you've got the willpower to make it, you can do it.
Jim Dodson: Tell everybody about. There's something unique about you too from a personal standpoint, you are not in perfect health. What are the health challenges that you were facing before you made this trip? And before you go in to that, I want to acknowledge Jeri who just signed on and Steve from Point Sienna, there's Steve. So, Steve's saying, you must have avoided the big mountainous terrain, but go ahead and tell us about your health challenges. And I think this an encouragement for people to get in and keep going in life despite some things that others would say would hold us back.
Tracy Sefcik: I've got a few health conditions. I'll go from easy to hardest. I have asthma, I have a brain tumor, and I also have epilepsy.
Jim Dodson: And these are the things that you actually, at the time that you made the trip you were actually under treatment for each one of these. And for the asthma, you actually had to carry a breathing device with you on the bike it's just a little added weight and responsibility for you to tote around everyday. Is that right?
Tracy Sefcik: Right. I take a pill, I take my inhaler, and I also have a portable breathing machine for my asthma.
Jim Dodson: And you take medication for your epilepsy everyday?
Tracy Sefcik: My epilepsy everyday, and then I take pills for my migraine headaches that's kind of caused by the brain tumor.
Jim Dodson: Right. So, big kudos for you. I mean really, it's such an encouragement for me to hear you talk about that and the fact that you set all that aside. Because, what really motivated you Tracy, we haven't talked about the fact that you're a Vet yourself, you were in the service, right?
Tracy Sefcik: Yes. I come from a long line of military.
Jim Dodson: Okay. And what branch did you serve in?
Tracy Sefcik: I was in the Navy.
Jim Dodson: And when was that?
Tracy Sefcik: I served 83 to 87, and then I was actually married to the Navy from 83 to 2002. So there's both sides.
Jim Dodson: And so you have a real commitment to the military. And I know that you raised money for the Gary Sinise Foundation, and you actually have another project in mind which we'll talk about a little bit later on, but another military group that you're supporting to help wounded vets. So, I know that you took this trip and you're riding from San Diego to Phoenix. But another part of your story is unique as well, in that you left San Diego, as you said from the carrier, back of the carrier Midway, right?
Tracy Sefcik: Yes.
Jim Dodson: And you travel, but you had someone traveling with you to Phoenix. Tell me who that was, and it was just the two of you I think.
Tracy Sefcik: Yes, I had my other half, Martin went from San Diego to Phoenix. We were supposed to do the whole trip together. However, things change, and unfortunately he could only go to Phoenix with me. Which then, I became a solo cyclist from Phoenix to Saint Augustine.
Jim Dodson: So all along, as a woman crossing the country from Phoenix to Saint Augustine, and you're really carrying everything on your bike, on your bike rather. You didn't have a sag vehicle, you didn't have somebody following along with a support vehicle to help you. You were self contained. Is that right?
Tracy Sefcik: That's correct. Luckily, I did have a GPS, I had a Garmin and my family every morning I would text and say I'm on the road, and pressed a button and they would be able to track exactly where I was going from my Garmin.
Jim Dodson: Very cool.
Tracy Sefcik: A couple times, I had to get a couple phone calls they would zoom in and say, oh I see you're eating lunch at Burger King.
Jim Dodson: Sweet.
Tracy Sefcik: How you doing? So, but they were able to keep on track of me that way. If I was stopped for a long time, they would either send me a text to see if I was okay and stuff like that. So.
Jim Dodson: So, okay. It's one thing to sit here where we all are in our homes or wherever we're watching this program, and yes, you rode across the country. But tell us about sort of the down and dirty, the ups and downs, the emotional journey you go on when you take a trip, particularly when you're by yourself. What are some the things that you encountered that you had to overcome? Particularly, kind of the emotional, why am I doing this warning?
Tracy Sefcik: The good is when you meet people out there. There was a woman that I met in New Mexico at the rest area, she came up, came running up to me, gave me a big hug. We talked for awhile, and she said this is something I've always wanted to do. And then later that night I got a really nice text message from her, saying I love that smile when you ran up to me and God bless you, and you gave me faith and courage to maybe someday do this myself. I was at a hotel, lady at the front desk gave me a bag of Tide Pods and dryer sheets and a roll of quarters for my laundry. So those are a lot of the ups, just seeing the support that people were giving me across the way and encouragement over text messages. Some of the downs? I would probably have to say just being out there by yourself, being out there in the middle of nowhere, and you fight the little battles in your head when you're riding by yourself. You don't have that other person out there to try to push you to continue. Most of them were in Texas, like they say Texas will either make you or break you. You're out there at 35 mile per hour. 35 mile per hour side winds. Tumbleweed blowing at you and you're in the middle of nowhere, going four miles per hour five miles per hour. And you've got 80 miles to go that day. And you're just out there screaming, yelling, cussing saying I'm done, I can't do this anymore. And then on the flip side of your head you're sitting there saying, no, you've gotta cope, you're doing this for Gary Sinise Foundation, you gotta raise money. I've always told my children to give 110%. And why do you wanna stop? You're not hurt, there's nothing wrong with you.
Jim Dodson: I think that it's hard, because battles are hard and they're real. The easiest thing to do would be screw it, I'm done I'm leaving. Call the tow truck.
Tracy Sefcik: You scream, you yell, and you get it out of your system, and you get back on the bike and you just fight and keep going.
Jim Dodson: I know you had an instance with dogs. I know you had instance with dogs across the country, probably. Was there one that kind of stands out in your mind?
Tracy Sefcik: I was chased by 32 dogs, I actually kept track. There was one incident in Louisiana where there was actually four dogs and myself and I was off of my bike, and every step that I would take, the dogs would get down lower to the ground and growl at me. It felt like 20 minutes, it was probably less you know how situations like that seem to always feel longer. And then all of the sudden, a pickup truck had come and the gentleman had seen what was going on and he actually got in between us. And he told me, he said, if I tell you to get up on my, the side panel of his car he said drop your bike and get on which meant the dogs were coming around to the other side.
Jim Dodson: Wow.
Tracy Sefcik: So we actually, he actually was there for probably about a block, and then I was able to get back on my bike and go. But it was a pretty scary situation probably one of the scariest one with the dogs because I did not know if I was gonna make it out there.
Jim Dodson: I know, and dogs are really a problem. They're scary, they're unpredictable. They can cause you harm directly or they can get in front of your bike and cause you to go down, we see that a lot in our practice.
Tracy Sefcik: Right.
Jim Dodson: So also, want to give a big shout out. You had a Velosurance experience. I talk about Velosurance a lot. We had Dave Williams on the program before who's the President of Velosurance. And Tracy had purchased Velosurance before her trip through her association with Adventure Cycling. Tell us about your Velosurance experience.
Tracy Sefcik: Well, I was in Arizona and I was going up a mountain. And I was actually very happy, because, I was like I've got this mountain. And I was on the last leg of the mountain and I went to sit back in my seat and all of a sudden my seat turned to the right. And I was like, oh no. What just happened? And I got off of my bike and I was holding my seat. And the rest of the screw was laying on the ground and the thing that, the plaque or whatever that holds it, the seat on, or whatever. And I was standing on the side of the mountain holding my seat.
Jim Dodson: Not close to anything, right?
Tracy Sefcik: Not close to anything. I could hear like the rattlesnakes out in the desert and stuff, and I actually called the lady up, the insurance side. And they came and got me, a big flatbed truck came and put my rental bike on there and took my silo bags and took me to a couple towns over where there was a Walmart. And I actually got a Walmart seat put on my bike, and back on the road again.
Jim Dodson: On to El Paso.
Tracy Sefcik: On to El Paso. I was happy to get my regular seat back on.
Jim Dodson: So think about that really for a minute. So you're 30 miles probably away from the nearest town, there's nobody around, your seat's broken, you can't ride the bike. It's like what would you have done otherwise? You had to be waiting for a car to come by and pick you up and take you hopefully.
Tracy Sefcik: Right. And hopefully it was a good samaritan in a car.
Jim Dodson: Exactly.
Jim Dodson: So talk a minute a little bit about where you stayed, because I think you stayed in a variety of places from camping to hotels, and how did that work out for you?
JTracy Sefcik: I did a couple stealth camping alongside a road one night underneath an overpass, which was very loud. I do not recommend that. I stayed about seven nights with one shower host. If you're not sure what one shower host is, it's a bunch of cyclists that we let each other in our houses, and feed each other let each other wash clothes, do laundry. Just sit down and talk about our riding experiences. And then the rest of the nights we were in hotels.
Jim Dodson: Okay, and you were eating basically in restaurants along the way trying to cook along the way, or what did you do about carrying food and water?
Tracy Sefcik: Well food was mostly restaurants, a sandwich from the gas station. Sometimes when there wasn't anything in between I'd grab a ham and cheese sandwich. A bag of chips and put them in my bag and eat them when I got hungry. And a lot of the dinners were sometimes the same, sometimes depending on where the hotel was at, if there was any restaurants around the area, had a bunch of local restaurants here that had given me gift cards. So I used a bunch of gift cards going across when I could.
Jim Dodson: Did you have any issues like having enough? I mean, you're burning a lot of calories when you're riding like that. What was your average mileage a day?
Tracy Sefcik: I started off doing 65 to 75 miles a day. And then I got ahead of schedule. So I ended up dropping down to about 50, 55 miles a day.
Jim Dodson: Alright. And the schedule was important because you were scheduled to be in St Augustine on a certain date, you wanted to kind of be on that date, right?
Tracy Sefcik: Correct, yes.
Jim Dodson: Alright. And you were very successful in doing that. Actually got there on time.
Tracy Sefcik: I actually got there a couple days earlier and stayed in uh.
Jim Dodson: Let's go down and waste a little time waiting to go into the city.
Tracy Sefcik: Yes, yes.
Jim Dodson: So I think another thing a lot of us think about is how many flat tires would somebody have riding? What was the total distance you rode?
Tracy Sefcik: 3,042.
Jim Dodson: Alright, so how many flat tires do you have in 3,042 miles?
Tracy Sefcik: I had two.
Jim Dodson: Yeah. Two flat tires.
Tracy Sefcik: One in New Mexico, and one about eight miles before the finish.
Jim Dodson: Isn't it ironic that you almost made it and would have had only one?
Tracy Sefcik: Right. Right. I was going past a VFW and I was reading the sign and not looking at the ground, and all of a sudden, pop.
Jim Dodson: So talk about just the finish. What happened at the finish of the ride, talk about that it was kind of lot more than you expected.
Tracy Sefcik: Jesus, yes. I was already filled with emotions with the finish. I hadn't seen my family, my son since Phoenix. And then my mom had come down, and Martin had come down, and I hadn't seen him since San Diego and Phoenix. So I was already emotional, I was emotional about cycling across and that I did it. And then we met at the staging area and I knew I was gonna get a police escort coming in. So we met at the staging area, and then all of the sudden I had St. Augustine Beach Patrol there, St. Augustine police there. St. John's county sheriff's department there, the fire department there. All kinds of media people there. And I just like broke down. It was overwhelming, the people that were coming up thanking me for what I was doing for the first responders, and for military veterans, and stuff like that. So then we started to proceed out into the road and I'm like, well they're just gonna follow me in and stuff like that. Next thing I know, there's like blocking off every street as I was coming through. Almost like a parade, just for me.
Jim Dodson: Pretty small parade, you on a bike.
Tracy Sefcik: Right, me on a bike and it just made it more like oh my God, I can't believe that they're doing this. For me. People ride across United States all the time. So it just made it that much more emotional. We had driven, of course, the day before. And I knew that as soon as I came around a corner, Dick Peter was there for me to finish. So I came around the corner and I see my two sons standing there and then I started again and I wanted to run over give them a hug but I couldn't do because I had everybody behind me and stuff, the Amtrak riders there as well. So I had like 14 motorcycles there behind me. So then we pulled in, and had a bunch of people standing there, there was probably about maybe 25, 30 people that were standing there cheering me on when I finished. St. John's County commissioner and a bunch of other people were there as well. It was exciting, and of course I had to go dip my tires and Jeff from the Channel Five news was there and he dared me to go in the water too, so. I decided to dip myself in the water as well so I actually went out in the ocean and took a dip myself.
Jim Dodson: Well, you know, it was a great finish to a great experience for you. There's some things I want to talk about, sort of the aftermath of the ride we'll get back to that in a minute. I just want to take a short programming break. I hope you're enjoying the program with Tracy this morning. If you have questions or comments for Tracy, put them on the screen, we'll be happy to address her while she's here live in front of us. Just want to remind you that in our personal injury practice, we certainly emphasize the bicycle practice representing cyclists throughout Florida. If you've been injured in a crash, or know someone who's been injured in a crash, I would encourage you to call and talk about it. My expression is always, it never costs money to talk. And you never write a check to our practice for anything whether we represent you or just want to talk about a case that's happened to you or someone else. Of course we represent all types of personal injury clients. And it doesn't matter where you've been injured in Florida. We represent clients, particularly cyclists throughout the state. So if we can help in any way, always give us a call. Tracy, I know that you went through some emotional roller coaster so to speak when you finished this ride. You'd been 61 days on the trail. Tell us about sort of the let down, I guess is the right word that you went through for the weeks and months afterwards.
Tracy Sefcik: Some of the letdowns, was I came home and for the 61 days, I felt like I had a meaning in my life. I was getting up and I was cycling. I was raising money for veterans. And when I came home, I kind of felt like I didn't have a meaning anymore. And so it was really like driving me crazy I guess you could say, that I didn't have that feeling, that urge that I had to do something. It kind of let me into my next adventure. But it was just an emptiness feeling.
Jim Dodson Well I think it's sort of a natural thing. Because you had months of buildup getting ready. Saving, generating the support that you needed. You had the two months directly everyday on the road, and then it's like when your kids graduate from high school and they leave the house, it's like boom they're gone. And boom it's over. And like what do you do now? Because you feel such a high, particularly when you get to St. Augustine and it's like, wow look at this, look at this response I'm getting.
Tracy Sefcik: Correct. You have that feeling of joy and happiness. I did this. When I was in Austin, Texas the owner of New Lenox McDonalds had actually donated $2,460 to make my goal of $25,000.
Jim Dodson: Wow.
Tracy Sefcik: So it was a nice thing there to meet my goal in Austin, Texas. So, with that, continue on and stuff like that. When I got done it was just like, like you said, what do I do now? I have to do something, and I have that drive.
Jim Dodson: So let's go on to your next project. Tell us sort of like your lasting impression. Sort of my take away from this experience. What did it do for you?
Tracy Sefcik: It pretty much taught me you can do whatever you set off to do. If you put your mind towards it, you can do it. And I think with everyone, if you have the urge you have the right mind, and you have the goal set that you can do it, you want to do it, you're gonna do it and you're gonna complete it.
Jim Dodson: You know, there's a great quote by Amelia Earhart that I love and I remember all the time. It said the hardest part is the decision to act. The rest is just tenacity. And that really sort of sums up what you're talking about here too.
Tracy Sefcik: One guy asked me at the finish about the physical aspect of it. And it is physical. No doubt you're cycling. And no doubt, I walked miles. When I couldn't cycle up the mountains or the hills. But, it's not the physical because the physical, you adapt to those. If you can't bike it, you walk it. It's the mental part. But the mental part, it goes away. You go out there, you have a good cry, you scream, you yell, you have your little temper tantrum and you go on. But the joys at the finish is just like you said. It's.
Jim Dodson: Yeah. So tell us about what future holds for Tracy. What are you gonna do next, what's your next challenge?
Tracy Sefcik: My next challenge is 10 states, two countries, and 2,547 miles. For Oscar Mike Foundation.
Jim Dodson: Alright, when do you plan to do this?
Tracy Sefcik: I will be doing this, I will be leaving August of 2021. It's gonna take, I have set my goal for Oscar Mike at $50,000.
Jim Dodson: Okay.
Tracy Sefcik: Double what I went for Gary Sinise foundation. So that's gonna be a couple years of fundraising. Working a couple of jobs to save up money for my expenses. Pay my bills when I'm gone again. And cycle north, east, south, and west.
Jim Dodson: I think your plan is to end up. On the screen you'll see the bit ly link for helping Tracy to help the vets. The bitly help the vets by bike. I know that when you do this ride in 2021, you hope to end up, the plan is to end up in New York City on 9/11. Is that correct?
Tracy Sefcik: That is correct. I'm gonna be going up north to Wisconsin, the Upper Peninsula, through Canada. Down through New York and I will be in New York City for the 20th anniversary of 9/11. From there going back down south through Pennsylvania, then back up through Ohio, Indiana, finish in Chicago.
Jim Dodson: And another, little bit about the Oscar Mike. So for those who weren't in the Marines, tell us what Oscar Mike means.
Tracy Sefcik: Oscar Mike means on the move.
Jim Dodson: It's a Marine expression, correct?
Tracy Sefcik: Correct.
Jim Dodson: Alright. So who founded Oscar Mike and what is their mission?
Tracy Sefcik: Uh, Noah Carrier started Oscar Mike. He actually left on 9/11 to serve in our operation Enduring Freedom. Three days after he came home after a two year tour, he was in a car accident and became paralyzed from the neck down.
Jim Dodson: Yeah.
Tracy Sefcik: After seven years of life changing events, drugs, alcohol, suicide thoughts and stuff like that a friend finally got him into adaptive sports out in Colorado and got him skiing. And from that he actually felt that he had a purpose in life. So through his foundation, he actually started his foundation out of a garage selling T-shirts. So you can buy Oscar Mike t-shirts, and all the money and stuff like that goes to Oscar Mike foundation. But he has a program that brings in injured veterans and does adaptive sports for a week long program, through kayaking, skydiving, all kinds of adaptive sports. So it's pretty much getting our veterans back on the move, the transition from injury back to a purpose of life again.
Jim Dodson: So are there other programs similar to that? The concept that people who, particularly veterans who were so physically active and strong and what have you, and they get injured they get wounded, they lose a limb, they get paralyzed, and they feel like they can't do any of those things again and it's sort of to get them moving and get back in the action, get back in the sport, the game that really brought meaning to their life. It's a life changing program. Would you agree?
Tracy Sefcik: Correct, right.
Jim Dodson: So I know that, it's Noah correct?
Tracy Sefcik: Correct.
Jim Dodson: Noah, if you're listening, I want to give you a big shout out, thank you for your service and thank you for the things that you're doing for the vets. I think when the time comes around, as this approaches, I want you to stay in touch with us Tracy so we can help you reach that fundraising goal. You also told me that you're gonna be in Florida in 2019, what are you gonna do here?
Tracy Sefcik: We're going to be doing a Pan Am, or I'm sorry, we've already done a panhandle. Uh, the Florida Keys. When we talked the other day, I might be going from Sarasota all the way down to the panhandle, I mean the Florida keys.
Jim Dodson: So Tracy's gonna come down and do that ride, pick the right time of year. Make it nice, before it gets too hot down there. Keys can get really hot in the summer.
Tracy Sefcik: Well I had a few hot days in Florida when I was going through. Panama City the day that I left there, it was 100% humidity.
Jim Dodson: Yeah, right.
Tracy Sefcik: So I walked out of the hotel and I was ready to walk back into the hotel.
Jim Dodson: Just not the right day.
Tracy Sefcik: I was like, okay. I can't breathe, my asthma's. But I had a light day that day. I was only going like 50 miles that day.
Jim Dodson: Yeah. Well Tracy, this has been terrific. I've enjoyed immensely, and I know our viewers have too. I admire you, you've been an inspiration to me, I know you've been an inspiration to many people. We have people watch live, but really what happens is, there's so many people who watch this on a recording on Facebook or on our website you'll reach many many people, and I would encourage you if you want to support Tracy, just follow the bitly link and support her, help the vets by bike. Tracy, thank you for joining us. I'm glad it's not eight degrees with a foot of snow here in Florida, but uh. I love your Christmas tree, hope you have a Merry Christmas.
Tracy Sefcik: Thank you, you too. Hey, that's when you turn in the house.
Jim Dodson: That's right, I know, thank you so much. Thanks for joining us. Good day everybody, it's been great. We'll see you next week.
Tracy Sefcik: Thank you.
Jim Dodson: Thank you Tracy.